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[Zulu88]

KWA057, on 01 February 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

I hope they come out in the next 2 months or so...
Since atp had several problems, will the auto be a better version of the older atp or will it perform the same?  I'm hoping to see an improved form since this is going to be a full auto and don't want things breaking in the first day haha..

well you do realize though is that with a "auto" gbb pistol there are alittle more things that could go wrong like the selector switch and different sized hammer(refering to the old m series because the 17 and the 18c had two different sized hammers.)

[jpip]

philsaudio, on 08 February 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

Can you put to much propane in a magazine?

Perhaps!

I decided to make sure all of my mags were topped off with propane before playing last Sunday. I warmed the fill can inside of my sweatshirt for a while and poured as much gas as possible into the mags several times over.  I did not weigh them as I was sure they were full.

Two problems.

1. Chrono. Before taking the gun into the CQB I chrono'd it. 500+ FPS!!!!!!!!!.

I used one of my 23 round mags that I filled to the brim. Yes Five hundred Feet Per Second plus on that first shot. The next few were 350 ish just like the ATP chrono's at home but this first one at the Airsoft Arena was 500 FPS and then some. Almost got my gun banned but the next several shots were okay so they let me use it.

Perhaps the mag was so full of liquid propane that some of the liquid siphoned into the chamber,  but I must wonder, did I over fill this mag?

2. Later on I brought the ATP into a pistol only match and put the 50 round in. Now I lube the valves and use green gas and filled this one to the brim from a warm fill can too, but the first few times I fired the ATP gas was venting all over the place. Then it settled down. I have already fired 250 rounds from that gas fill and the mag still has some gas in it. That is refilling the mag with BBs five times from a single propane fill.

Just a little more info for you.




Peace

PS: Boys and girls, Hanibal says, " don't fire your GBB pistols with a lit cigar in your mouth. If that GBB vents the resulting fireball will give your position away to the op force."

Thanks for all the info. I have a couple questions for you.

I am trying to decide which pistol to buy and the ATP is sounding really good due to the lower price point. I've also been hearing about some "issues" with them. Would I likely get one with potential bugs if I ordered one now? Or am I at a time frame that is far enough past the "issue" period?

In your posts you have mentioned both green gas and propane. Are you using both? If so, which would you recommend? I know green gas would be necessary until warranty is up, but if I properly clean and lubricate am I really going to have troubles directly related to the use of propane? I've heard both sides. Like most, my only problem is being able to find green gas & the expense when I do find some.

Thanks for any input,
jpip

[philsaudio]

I am thinking of buying another ATP. I highly recommend them. After playing around with friends KWA and KJW 1911's I am convinced the ATP is easier to break down, better on gas economy, and we all agree, more accurate.

I have only used green gas so far. I don;t shoot it so much now that I got the SRC G36c machine gun so the price of propane is not an issue.

[niko_gpsy]

jpip, on 09 February 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Thanks for all the info. I have a couple questions for you.

I am trying to decide which pistol to buy and the ATP is sounding really good due to the lower price point. I've also been hearing about some "issues" with them. Would I likely get one with potential bugs if I ordered one now? Or am I at a time frame that is far enough past the "issue" period?

In your posts you have mentioned both green gas and propane. Are you using both? If so, which would you recommend? I know green gas would be necessary until warranty is up, but if I properly clean and lubricate am I really going to have troubles directly related to the use of propane? I've heard both sides. Like most, my only problem is being able to find green gas & the expense when I do find some.

Thanks for any input,
jpip

There were very small number ATPs with issues reported on the first batch  but be assured that all issues have been addressed.  As a matter of fact, the new ATP batch has even been upgraded a bit with the trigger safety and metal recoil spring guide rod.  You will be very happy with the purchase.

[jpip]

niko_gpsy, on 09 February 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

There were very small number ATPs with issues reported on the first batch  but be assured that all issues have been addressed.  As a matter of fact, the new ATP batch has even been upgraded a bit with the trigger safety and metal recoil spring guide rod.  You will be very happy with the purchase.

Thanks for that niko_gypsy. One other question for ya. If you were choosing between the atp and the mk23, which would be your choice and why? I'm just really liking that high fps with the mk23, which would let me use heavier bb's.  Thanks

[gcw360]

ATP, it fits easily into holsters, 330-340 FPS so you are good an most indoor fields, simple design, easy to field strip, and less to have malfunction.  Not to mention extended/hi cap mags!

Now, if you just wan to scare the crap out of someone, get the MK23, it's a great gun too.

[niko_gpsy]

And don't be so hung up on FPS for a CQB secondary.  The idea isn't to hurt someone, it's to get the job done.  And ATP will certainly do that.

[jpip]

Right. I understand.

I actually play in wooded areas/ urban areas, so I definitely am not trying to hurt anyone and the targets will be at a farther distance rather than with a cqb situation. Closer to 70+ feet, so that's why I was considering the mk23. However, I may possibly go with the ATP as my first gbb. It's not like I'm gonna stop there

Then again, at 70 feet I can still welt them with my sr12, so maybe the ATP is a good first choice.

One last question: What weight bb's should I use with the ATP. I don't want to use .25's if it's not going to shoot far enough. What'cha think?  Thanks for the input!

[gcw360]

jpip, on 09 February 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Right. I understand.

I actually play in wooded areas/ urban areas, so I definitely am not trying to hurt anyone and the targets will be at a farther distance rather than with a cqb situation. Closer to 70+ feet, so that's why I was considering the mk23. However, I may possibly go with the ATP as my first gbb. It's not like I'm gonna stop there

Then again, at 70 feet I can still welt them with my sr12, so maybe the ATP is a good first choice.

One last question: What weight bb's should I use with the ATP. I don't want to use .25's if it's not going to shoot far enough. What'cha think?  Thanks for the input!

Heck I reach out beyond 100ft with .3's in my ATP.

[jpip]

gcw360, on 09 February 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

Heck I reach out beyond 100ft with .3's in my ATP.

Wow, really??

[gcw360]

Yes, keep in mind the effective range is more like 60-75ft though.

[philsaudio]

Maybe in real life a MK23 has an advantage over a glock but................................These are not real guns so with the same weight BB and muzzel  velocity the BB will have the same reach no matter the gun.  It will be the accuracy of the barrel and the hop up that make it more or less useable than the next.

I can hit 8x11 paper every time at 70ft with the ATP while aiming through the sight. The hop up keeps it straight at that distance no problem. I use .25g BBs as recommended by KWA but .20s work fine too, maybe a little less accurate. I have not tested this but the theory and science say that the .25's would have a better range than the .20 both in travel and useable accuracy, with the same kinetic energy or joules per shot. The more wind the better advantage for the heavier BBs.

Edited by philsaudio, 10 February 2012 - 09:13 AM.

[jpip]

philsaudio, on 10 February 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:

Maybe in real life a MK23 has an advantage over a glock but................................These are not real guns so with the same weight BB and muzzel  velocity the BB will have the same reach no matter the gun.  It will be the accuracy of the barrel and the hop up that make it more or less useable than the next.

I can hit 8x11 paper every time at 70ft with the ATP while aiming through the sight. The hop up keeps it straight at that distance no problem. I use .25g BBs as recommended by KWA but .20s work fine too, maybe a little less accurate. I have not tested this but the theory and science say that the .25's would have a better range than the .20 both in travel and useable accuracy, with the same kinetic energy or joules per shot. The more wind the better advantage for the heavier BBs.

Right. I use .25 ksc's in my sr12 and there is a definite advantage over the .20's in terms of stability, range and accuracy. The only reason I was looking at the mk23 was because of it's rated fps, which is a pretty decent amount more than the ATP. However, it doesn't matter anymore because....................drum roll......................I just ordered the ATP. Can't wait to try it out. Can't remember if you said this in your posts or not, but do you use propane, gg, or both? Thanks for the info.

[philsaudio]

So far I have only used green gas in the ATP. Next time I need gas the warranty will be out and I will try propane with the adaptor.

You are going to love your ATP.

[philsaudio]

Being curious I decided to take the ATP and shoot it in the yard at the target (a small trunk tree about the size of a man standing sideways) I measured the targer out at 150 feet. I used one of those mags I overfilled last weekend and talked about in this thread post #22. I know it was one that I had not used as it was venting gas for the first few shots. I chrono'd it about shot #4 and it was 320fps with .25g bb.

I did a little hop up tweaking and on the sixth BB reload (yeah I shot 23x5 [or 138 bbs] bbs out of it already) it was shooting 299FPS and I was hitting that man size tree 150' out half of the time with a slight consistent wind aiming by using a combination of the sight and following the BB.
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This is getting ridiculous on the ninth bb refill on that single gas overfill first shot out of clip #9 277FPS. Easily hitting a CD size target at 50'.
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OMG clip refill #10 shot #4 271FPS----will this ever end?  Only 15 shots on that clip all hitting the CD size target at 50' before running out of gas.

222 bb.s out of a 23 round clip full to the brim with green gas. UNFRICKIN believable.


PS:

Remember Hanibal says: No shooting overfilled mags while smoking a lit cigar boys and girls. Fireballs in your face hurt longer and worse than plastic bullet balls.

Edited by philsaudio, 10 February 2012 - 11:29 AM.

[jpip]

philsaudio, on 10 February 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

Being curious I decided to take the ATP and shoot it in the yard at the target (a small trunk tree about the size of a man standing sideways) I measured the targer out at 150 feet. I used one of those mags I overfilled last weekend and talked about in this thread post #22. I know it was one that I had not used as it was venting gas for the first few shots. I chrono'd it about shot #4 and it was 320fps with .25g bb.

I did a little hop up tweaking and on the sixth BB reload (yeah I shot 23x5 [or 138 bbs] bbs out of it already) it was shooting 299FPS and I was hitting that man size tree 150' out half of the time with a slight consistent wind aiming by using a combination of the sight and following the BB.
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This is getting ridiculous on the ninth bb refill on that single gas overfill first shot out of clip #9 277FPS. Easily hitting a CD size target at 50'.
-------------------------

OMG clip refill #10 shot #4 271FPS----will this ever end?  Only 15 shots on that clip all hitting the CD size target at 50' before running out of gas.

222 bb.s out of a 23 round clip full to the brim with green gas. UNFRICKIN believable.


PS:

Remember Hanibal says: No shooting overfilled mags while smoking a lit cigar boys and girls. Fireballs in your face hurt longer and worse than plastic bullet balls.

Good God Man!

[gcw360]

YMMV!

[philsaudio]

gcw360, on 10 February 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

YMMV!

Agreed. Getting those mags filled for another day of play.